Matt Berninger from the rock band The National says that Willow and Cardigan, two of Taylor Swift’s biggest hits, were written for them. The Telegraph asked Aaron Dessner and Matt to talk to them.

“I’d taken a swing at [‘Cardigan’] and ‘Willow’ and a couple of others, and I wasn’t having a lot of luck, so Aaron sent them to Taylor. I always have a lot of music to work on and am looking for something to connect emotionally. The reverse has happened, too, where Aaron wrote something for Taylor, and I dove right in. It works both ways,” Matt said.

The band is getting ready to release their ninth studio record, First Two Pages of Frankenstein. Taylor will sing the song “The Alcott” from that album. They worked with the pop artist before on the song “Coney Island,” which was on her album “Evermore.”